Comments on: The Death of an Ideology http://utahvoices.com/the-death-of-an-ideology/ Utah has issues Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:08:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Aros Mackey http://utahvoices.com/the-death-of-an-ideology/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Aros Mackey Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:47:09 +0000 http://utahvoices.com/?p=106#comment-26 It is very interesting that people think McCain lost because of fear mongering. The fear mongering was the media's way of trying to counter the awful questions that could not be answered about our new President. Those that were involved in campaigning would realize that the GOP campaign was soft and uncreative. Palin was the only creative part, I felt like I was doing voter identification on Election Day. I talk the team leader in letting me take a group off the phones and carry a big McCain sign in the ghetto of Las Vegas. (Only because that is where we were, I would not recommend doing it there) Let me tell you what I saw, people came to me and said they are voting for Obama in a violent manor. When asked why, they did not know, but they seemed to believe their rent and cars will now be paid for. I also noticed that Obama’s camp used text messaging in a fantastic way to reach people. This was clear by the way the Obama campaigners almost instantly showed up to wave banners directly a crossed the street from us. Always, with just a little more people than we had. A friend that was a campaigner on their side confirmed that for me. There is no doubt, they had a fantastic campaign and that is why they won. I just wish I was 45 and knew that I had a chance to be the next president by committing to socialist ideals, and saying “Yes we can!” Now as for Reagan, I know his love for the county and his ideals still run in the veins of the Republican Party. I am only a Republican because I believe in the principles that come with it. I know that the principles are nearest to family virtue. John McCain was not my first choice or my second but he was the closest to what I felt would help me keep my family in a good and high quality life style! It is very interesting that people think McCain lost because of fear mongering. The fear mongering was the media’s way of trying to counter the awful questions that could not be answered about our new President. Those that were involved in campaigning would realize that the GOP campaign was soft and uncreative. Palin was the only creative part, I felt like I was doing voter identification on Election Day. I talk the team leader in letting me take a group off the phones and carry a big McCain sign in the ghetto of Las Vegas. (Only because that is where we were, I would not recommend doing it there) Let me tell you what I saw, people came to me and said they are voting for Obama in a violent manor. When asked why, they did not know, but they seemed to believe their rent and cars will now be paid for. I also noticed that Obama’s camp used text messaging in a fantastic way to reach people. This was clear by the way the Obama campaigners almost instantly showed up to wave banners directly a crossed the street from us. Always, with just a little more people than we had. A friend that was a campaigner on their side confirmed that for me. There is no doubt, they had a fantastic campaign and that is why they won. I just wish I was 45 and knew that I had a chance to be the next president by committing to socialist ideals, and saying “Yes we can!” Now as for Reagan, I know his love for the county and his ideals still run in the veins of the Republican Party. I am only a Republican because I believe in the principles that come with it. I know that the principles are nearest to family virtue. John McCain was not my first choice or my second but he was the closest to what I felt would help me keep my family in a good and high quality life style!

]]> By: Chad http://utahvoices.com/the-death-of-an-ideology/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Chad Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:54:53 +0000 http://utahvoices.com/?p=106#comment-25 Ya, the Repubs botched things up good for themselves, and I could see McCain playing more of the same party schizophrenia games this current administration is playing. So, I'm glad it's Obama and the Dems for now, and I wish them the best of luck. Bush essentially set up a pseudo-socialist agenda while trying to maintain a sort of capitalist anarchy that was created during this power-centric identity crisis. Democrats know the art of "Socialism" better than Repubs do, so they may be able to bring it to a solid system, even if it's an undesirable one, at least it would be stable. If it releases some of the pressure from the backs of the middle-class in the process, I'm for it. I think all the Dems can do is hit the brakes and hope the train will stop, but until government spending is put under control, this train will never be able to actually reverse itself. I don't think the Dems have it in them to accomplish reversal, but if the Repubs can take two steps back, realize where they went wrong and correct their wayward ideology, then they do have the philosophies that can achieve real success. Ron Paul has a great article on CNN today about it: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/paul.republican/index.html Ya, the Repubs botched things up good for themselves, and I could see McCain playing more of the same party schizophrenia games this current administration is playing. So, I’m glad it’s Obama and the Dems for now, and I wish them the best of luck. Bush essentially set up a pseudo-socialist agenda while trying to maintain a sort of capitalist anarchy that was created during this power-centric identity crisis. Democrats know the art of “Socialism” better than Repubs do, so they may be able to bring it to a solid system, even if it’s an undesirable one, at least it would be stable. If it releases some of the pressure from the backs of the middle-class in the process, I’m for it. I think all the Dems can do is hit the brakes and hope the train will stop, but until government spending is put under control, this train will never be able to actually reverse itself. I don’t think the Dems have it in them to accomplish reversal, but if the Repubs can take two steps back, realize where they went wrong and correct their wayward ideology, then they do have the philosophies that can achieve real success. Ron Paul has a great article on CNN today about it: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/paul.republican/index.html

]]> By: James http://utahvoices.com/the-death-of-an-ideology/comment-page-1/#comment-24 James Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:25:01 +0000 http://utahvoices.com/?p=106#comment-24 Wow,pretty deap. Sounds like Phil has thought this one through very thoroughly. The party of Regan has lost its way and its original nemesis. I agree with both Phil and Mr. Hoffer; “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” I am watching Frontline on PBS right now about Lee Atwater. Granted a story on PBS would most likely not be a puff piece on a Republican Operative but this gives an idea at to where we went wrong. Whether it was him or not the problem began when it became about winning and not about the truth. We have seen it ever since then. Unfortunately, we are too young to know how prominent it was before that. Without a good grasp of history we cannot know where it turned. And without understanding history we are doomed to repeat it. Another thing that became obvious was that without a true separation and distance between the candidates and the press. It only becomes clear what was overlooked after the glow of the campaign wears off. It happened with G. H. W. Bush; it happened with Clinton; it happened with G.W. Bush. Only time will tell what will happen with President Elect Obama. Pray for the best. One thing to keep in mind however is that just because the conservative movement has lost its way does not mean to me that I should change teams, it only means we need to fight to return to the correct principles. Wow,pretty deap. Sounds like Phil has thought this one through very thoroughly. The party of Regan has lost its way and its original nemesis. I agree with both Phil and Mr. Hoffer; “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
I am watching Frontline on PBS right now about Lee Atwater. Granted a story on PBS would most likely not be a puff piece on a Republican Operative but this gives an idea at to where we went wrong. Whether it was him or not the problem began when it became about winning and not about the truth. We have seen it ever since then. Unfortunately, we are too young to know how prominent it was before that. Without a good grasp of history we cannot know where it turned. And without understanding history we are doomed to repeat it.

Another thing that became obvious was that without a true separation and distance between the candidates and the press. It only becomes clear what was overlooked after the glow of the campaign wears off. It happened with G. H. W. Bush; it happened with Clinton; it happened with G.W. Bush. Only time will tell what will happen with President Elect Obama. Pray for the best.

One thing to keep in mind however is that just because the conservative movement has lost its way does not mean to me that I should change teams, it only means we need to fight to return to the correct principles.

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